magnums make bigger holes in critters than their smaller bore rivals such as the 7mm Remington Magnum and punish the shooter with less recoil than the big bores such as the .338 Lapua. 30 Nosler vs. 300 Weatherby. Four of them being 300 WBY and I'm quite familiar with the cartridge. The 30 looks interesting and according to case capacity it doesn't appear to have more room in the cartridge to be labeled a barrel burner. It too was designed to function in .30-06 length (3.340-inch) actions. I took rough measurements of both the 300 Win Mag and the 30 Nosler with the very popular 215 Berger hybrid. 300 Win OAL (case head to bullet tip) = 3.690″ These are not charge weights!!! (Top to bottom) .308, .30-06, .300 Weatherby, .300 Rem Ultra Mag. Description.300 Weatherby 200 Grain Nosler AccuBond~ Roy Weatherby already had experience with other custom cartridges such as his own .270 Weatherby Magnum when he created the .300 Weatherby.Like most of his other magnum cartridges, this is based on a blown-out .300 H&H Magnum case, using the signature Weatherby double-radius shoulder. H2O to the top of the case mouth. Here are some measurements and comments about the 300 Win vs the 30 Nos. By today’s standards, the venerable .300 H&H seems tame, even underpowered. They give you extra range and power--if you can handle the recoil. 30 Nos. Here are some measurements and comments about the 300 Win vs the 30 Nos. Consult a loading manual for starting charges and work up safely.!!! I personally shoot a 308 win. of energy at the muzzle, it is far ahead of the .30-06 Springfield and .300 H&H Magnum. The most powerful .30 caliber magnum until the .30-378 arrived, the .300 Weatherby has a cult-like following. What that will actually mean as far as muzzle velocity remains to be seen. Thank you for a well researched and well written article ! One point for every 10 yards MPBR beyond 200 yards and one point deducted for every 10 yards less. See how they compare in the charts below. Imagine a bullet arcing through a six-inch diameter pipe for a certain distance. Loads to these weights will surely be way over pressure!! Unless one is accompanied by a good number of friends, or shooting in very open terrain where visibility is excellent...I am of the opinion that extreme shots at game are to be avoided. I still like magnums though, especially in the wide-open West. CAUTION:!!!! The original .30 caliber belted magnum. Both cases were new unfired. Both cases were new unfired. 7mm Weatherby created around the 1940's, 7mm RUM created in 2001 approx. 300 Winchester Magnum Load Data; 300 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 30 Nosler Load Data; 30-378 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 300 Remington Ultra Magnum Load Data; 7.62x51mm NATO Load Data; 8x57mm JS Mauser Load Data; 8mm-06 Load Data; 325 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data; 8mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 338 Federal Load Data; 338 … 300 Win on our Left, 30 Nos. at shoulder .488″ The Contestants. Good load right outta Nosler book I believe 83 grain oh h1000 with a 200 trainer. AccuBond at 3100 fps. 60 years later, and 28 Nosler created in 2014, around 70-74 years after Roy's. Then also H2O. offers .041″ more neck to bearing surface length. Hunters these days now have a dizzying array of .30 caliber magnum cartridges to choose from like the .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby Magnum, .30 Nosler, 300 WSM, .300 Norma Magnum, and the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum (among others). I've never lost a deer with a 308 win. The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. _____ some call it hunting, i call it "grocery shopping" Top . The AccuBond™ is a good all-round hunting bullet with high ballistic coefficients (BCs) and terminal performance similar to the time-tested Nosler Partition™. Don, yes the factory 30-378Wby has a 28" long barrel and the Wby freebore. When first introduced in 1944, this cartridge developed a reputation for “excessive” recoil and unpredictable results on game. Then you can go to a store and buy a box of ammo starting at $17 or less and keep things simple. .300 Winchester Short Magnum (L), .300 Winchester Magnum (R). Just curious. Thread starter Cogreeny; Start ... For an elk rifle I'd go 28 at least. If it's that they are cool or new or different that's cool. Description.300 Weatherby 180 Grain Nosler Partition~ Roy Weatherby already had experience with other custom cartridges such as his own .270 Weatherby Magnum when he created the .300 Weatherby.Like most of his other magnum cartridges, this is based on a blown-out .300 H&H Magnum case, using the signature Weatherby double-radius shoulder. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. This could easily level the field for velocity and could allow the 300 win to excel. case OAL = 2.544″, 300 Win at Web = .506″ Cases were filled with a 6″ drop tube to the bottom of the neck. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. Consult a loading manual for starting charges and work up safely.!!! They combine flat trajectories with tremendous down-range power. While there are now more powerful .30 caliber magnums, the time-tested .300 Weatherby will likely outlast them. The .300 Weatherby Magnum is a fast, hard-hitting cartridge, driving a 180-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 3250 fps, for over 4,000 ft.-lbs. 30 Nos. Specialized long range bullets were not used as they are unnecessary for most hunting situations. Good realistic article. and shoot strait. The .300 Win. One point for each ft-lbsf recoil less than 15, and one point deducted for every ft-lbsf greater than 15. They are all good, all have their special appeal, but there is often a quality to quantity and quantity is what the .300 Winchester Magnum has. 300 PRC: Bertram = 89 gr. Renowned for its accuracy, it won many target competitions and has taken every game animal on the planet at one time or another. Strictly for a hunting rifle and nothing else I take a Weatherby mk 5 every time and I always have 24" light weight barrels no matter what caliber they are,Weatherby's have the strongest actions on earth tested well past 210,000 psi and held together,the stock design is such as to tame recoil and still be a natural pointer,lots of freebore makes seating bullets out where they need to be a snap,superior gas venting in case of a rupture.Ammo available everywhere,Smoothest push feed bolt action south of a Mannlicher Shoenaure. Recoil calculations were based on a 9.5 pound rifle weight. Bertram = 100 gr. 300 Weatherby Magnum Rifle Cartridge by Nosler Inc. Nosler - Bullets, Brass, Ammunition & Rifles. Mag.’s arrival in 1963. Filed Under: Precision Hand Loading Tools, Precision Handloading "How To" Tagged With: 30 Nosler, 300 win mag, Berger Bullets, ELR, Extreme Long Range, hand loading, hunting, long range, long range only, precision, rifle throat. Mag. This diagram illustrates MPBR for a ten inch kill box which is applicable for large game. Not a bad thing unless one hates the thought of becoming a ballistic nerd. Then again, if I found a well-kept .300 H&H for reasonable money, I’d snatch it up and never once complain about scrounging for ammo. They require a hunter to understand bullet construction and terminal performance in depth, especially with cartridges on the power scale’s upper end. They have the powder capacity to launch them at impressive velocities and thus use those bullets’ high BC and SD advantages. This is the usable volume for powder. As a matter of mirror-image fact, the two cases are extremely similar. Still the most popular Fast Thirty in the world. The bullet was a 180gr. mtmuley . Too much can go wrong and the recovery of an animal shot at 100 yards can already be complicated at times. (L-R) .30-378 Weatherby, .300 Weatherby, .30-06. This article will lay out the similarities and differences between the two cartridges. I'm just trying to cover my bases and not be wishing 2 years from now I had gone a different route. 180 gr. It is not a good choice for light weight mountain rifles since the recoil would challenge even the most dedicated shooter. Who would waste the accuracy and case capacity of seating to magazine length that short? bullets. Introduced in 2016, the 30 Nosler meets the velocity of the .300 Weatherby, headspaces on the shoulder like a .300 RUM, has an efficient powder column like the .300 WSM and fits in the same standard-length action of a .300 Win. The Series. Many experts recommend a minimum of 1500 ft-lbs impact energy for large game such as elk. The undisputed most powerful .30 caliber magnum in the world. The .300 RUM is a more realistic choice than the .30-378 in a standard weight sporter rifle if a hunter needs this much power. I just pulled up some factory loads for the three and just wanted to show the difference in 70 years of development. Bullet technology at the time could not match this Weatherby’s high velocities and many projectiles often failed when they hit large animals at close range. Decisions Decisions. Loads to these weights will surely be way over pressure!! With that being said, 7mag, 30-06 and 300 win mag are just as effective with a lot less recoil. 30 Nos. If the minimum energy range exceeds the minimum expansion range, the minimum expansion range becomes the maximum effective range since unexpanded bullets are much less effective regardless how much energy they possess. With a 200 grain bullet, it likely would have scored equal to or below the .300 Weatherby. might see 3075 to 3100. If you don't expect to shoot beyond 300 yards, stay with common .30 calibers. Modern bullets correct this problem when the right bullet is selected for the appropriate application. case head to bullet O=give with comparator = 2.635″. Calculations were corrected to standard … and large game (1500 ft-lbs), and the minimum velocity most hunting bullets require for reliable expansion (1800 fps). 28 nosler vs 300 prc, We take a look at the .300 Winchester Magnum vs the .30-.06 Springfield in this in-depth review. capacity with a 3.5 gr advantage, 300 win case OAL = 2.606″ Its efficient case produces near .300 Weatherby performance. The 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum dials up the heat another 100 fps over the .26 Nosler; it’ll launch the 140-grain bullets at a muzzle velocity of just shy of 3400 fps. With Weatherby dropping all their ammo prices 30%, it is now much more affordable to shoot their calibers. But that needs to be proven. These are the best choices for shots inside 500 yards: Barnes TSX/TTSX, Swift Scirocco, Swift A-Frame, Nosler Partition, Nosler AccuBond, Nosler E-Tip, Woodleigh Weldcore, PPU soft point, Hornady GMX, Hornady Interbond, and North Fork. For shots well beyond 500 yards, consider the Nosler AccuBond LR, Swift Scirocco, Berger, Hornady ELD-X, Hornady SST, or Sierra Game King. ADG = 101 gr. The .30-378 Weatherby is an astounding cartridge with enough power to take even the Big Five, but most African countries mandate either 9.3mm or .375 caliber as the minimum for dangerous game hunting. Likewise the standard length .308 Norma magnum. The "Fast Thirties" will deliver it to 650 yards, and beyond. Norma = 95 gr. If you need a softer shooting cartridge that has available factory ammunition and solid ballistics there are multiple 7mm offerings. Muzzle velocities are the nominal industry standard for the tested bullet weight in each caliber. with H2O = 87.5 gr 1.8 gr advantage, 300 win with H-1000 = 87.5 gr capacity The 300 Win Mag is right around where you put it but it can also safely climb to 30 and 31 pounds of recoil. Either a long range bullet fired up close, or a close range one used too far away can cause ineffective wounds and result in lost game. 30 Nos. moose where it was. get the nod here. Blaser has a .300 magnum based on the .404 Jeffery case, but it’s not marketed here in the U.S. A similar cartridge to the Blaser, and one that is available to American shooters, is the relatively new .30 Nosler. I did some bench comparisons of the two. The “Fast Thirties,” as famed gun writer Craig Boddington calls them, have always captivated hunters. Detailed performance figures are summarized in the table at the article’s end. Factory ammo: 300 Win will get the nod here today. Barnes and Nosler both used 26" long barrel for the Wby Speer used a 24" long barrel and Hornady used a factory rifle with max velocity 3300fps same as the data for the 300RUM for max velocity. BC quantifies a bullet’s aerodynamic efficiency, and SD predicts relative ability to penetrate into a game animal; the larger each number, the better. It is in essence the .300 RUM shortened to fit into a standard length bolt-action. Introduced in 1999, the .300 RUM has become a favorite in the long range hunting subculture. speer grand slam, and wasn't recovered. .30 Caliber Magnum Virtual Shootout Results. I did some bench comparisons of the two. on our Right. I'm not a 6.5mm fan and I think both the 26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherby will die. The 30 Nosler is still too new to predict if it will stay on the market for long. In conclusion here are my thoughts. Mag., it … Hornady 300 PRC w/225's @ 2875-2900 FPS 300 Norma w/225's @3000-3025 FPS Weatherby ammo will set you back anywhere from … at shoulder .525″, 300 win Neck length = .252″ 30 nosler case capacity is 89.8 gr h2o and 300 win is 93.8 in h2o according to Wikipedia. Look no further! These cartridges are also best when paired with the heaviest bullet weights. Both with 215 seated bearing surface to bottom of case neck. All great performing cartridges-all uncommon except the 300 win mag. Looking for some of the differences between .300 Win Mag and .30-06? Every rifle maker offers a model chambered in it and unlike the Weatherby, Nosler, and RUM, ammunition is available anywhere in the world. LJ Bonham is a semi-subsistence hunter, hunting magazine editor, and firearms enthusiast who lives in the Rocky Mountains. AccuBond (.507 BC/.271 SD) at 3200 fps. The .30 cal. Mag. The main factor is to know the maximum and minimum anticipated impact velocities and the intended game, then select a bullet which is reliable under those conditions. These are rough measurements on unfired untouched brass. All calculations were based on the heaviest Nosler AccuBond™ bullet available in factory loaded ammunition for each caliber, unless otherwise noted. What is the advantages of the 300 PCR or 30 Nosler over the 300 Winchester, 300 Weatherby, or RUM? The 180 grain Partitions also made one shot kills on my two bull moose. 30 Nos. capacity The 30 looks interesting and according to case capacity it doesn't appear to have more room in the cartridge to be labeled a barrel burner. 300 Win Mag: Nosler = 95 gr. With today's support of available range finder, Kestrels and other instruments to calculate dope beyond standard ranges, any will do. If I was going after big bears' give me a 375H+H (or 458win.) 30 Nos OAL (case head to bullet tip) = 3.595″, 300 Win case head to bullet O-give with comparator = 2.730″ See current Nosler manual for reloading information (or for a comparison with the .338 Lapua). The six inch kill box used in this test is a better average size for both medium and large game. But if you are one that does not like belted cases the 30 Nos. Both BC and sectional density (SD) are noted for each bullet tested. These are not charge weights!!! Several noted gun writers have said this is the harshest recoiling cartridge they’ve ever fired. Case head to bottom of shoulder = 2.112″, 300 Win. No one yet offers this cartridge loaded with 200 grain AccuBonds. with H-1000 = 91.4 gr capacity with a 3.9 gr advantage, 300 win with RL-33 = 90 gr. Yet, ask anyone who owns one and you’ll get a big, knowing smile from them. Maybe? The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. While .30 caliber bullets come in a wide variety, this vast selection presents some challenges when it comes to the Fast Thirties. 28 nosler vs 300 prc, We take a look at the .300 Winchester Magnum vs the .30-.06 Springfield in this in-depth review. Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. Just from my experience of 40+ years of elk hunting, 180 grain Sierra spire point bullets worked fine from my .30-06, 180 grain Nosler Partitions worked fine from my .30 Gibbs, and 168 grain Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets have worked fine in my .300 Weatherby. https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/300-prc-better-than-the-rest/330587 ... 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